+20 lb in 2 months on ZC

[Catin]

Timmy, if that is your name, I have been polite. I would appreciate you not reading my questions as attacks.

Obesity is only one sign of metabolic dysfunction. You can be skinny or normal weight and get diabetes, cancers, and other diseases of civilization that don't appear in pre-SAD indigenous populations.

Since we're talking about "time in" ZC, you've had a grand total of 2 months. Feel free to come back 6-18 months later and say the ZC experiment hasn't worked for you, but so far, you're still in the adaptation stage.

I did not choose ZC because of Charles. I chose and studied ZC before I ever knew Charles existed, based on science and historical record, before I ever "experienced" it. I had others' experiences to refer to. There are plenty of "studies" that show carbohydrates are bad for you and yet carb-loading became national health policy. There are plenty of studies and historical records that showed low/zero carbs is healthy.

ZC is not and was never touted as a psychological or behavioral changer; if you have psychological issues with eating because you're at a desk, it has nothing to do with ZC and overeating. Maybe ZC kept you from gaining more weight, who knows. When some of us here say that it helped us stop bingeing or having EDs, it may be because the EDs we refer to have their roots in the carbohydrate problem.

Your experience so far is fine as a measure of your personal experience, but again, you need more time on it before you say that your experience is one that is applicable beyond anyone but you and your psychological situation for the limited time you have been on it. SO FAR, you have gained weight. SO FAR you have connected being at your desk to overeating.

That is fine, but your tone when you started this post was "this is ZC's fault" rather than wondering what was going on with your body and being curious about it. Thus my lack of surprise that you think I am attacking you.

You are free to stop eating ZC if you are unhappy with how you are doing on it, but I find it hard to believe that ZC is the *cause* of your psychological/behavioral issues.

Edit: I see that you say you are going to continue eating LC. Good for you, but what will you do if you are at the desk and overeating on LC?

[Martin]

Yep, what's your weight? Gaining 20 pounds can be a very good thing. Last June, I was 20 pounds thinner. Everyone criticised me. Now I'm 20 pounds bigger and everyone comments on how athletic I look.

I seriously needed these 20 pounds. I was not really underweight but nearly so.

I find it hard to believe that you could eat up to 7000 calories of meat and fat. Did you eat 2kgs of meat of 1/2kg of fat? That's a lot of food. Even binging all the time. Especially if you don't do much sport. I find myself that not doing much sport affects my hunger down.

For the binging part, I'm really sorry it doesn't work for you. It really does for me and nearly immidately! if for some reason i'm hungry at 3.00 in the afternoon, i eat a full meal and don't feel like eating at 7.00 or so.

Sometimes I think I've put on fat, but I wake up every morning ripped again. I wouldn't imagine gaining 20 pounds of fat. But again, scales do not mean anything.

What is your Body fat index?

[Catin]

(01-30-2009 02:09 AM)Carlos Wrote:  Maybe it needs to be in the FAQs in big bold letters: ZC is not a weight loss plan. ZC *normalizes* your weight per your genotype, and it may or may not stabilize at a weight that you like or that you set as a goal.

I agree! ZC gets your insulin under control so your body can carry on with the rest of its work. If your hormones need work after the insulin comes down, so be it. Insulin is the 800-lb gorilla.

[timmypatch]

(01-30-2009 02:50 AM)Catin Wrote:  Timmy, if that is your name, I have been polite. I would appreciate you not reading my questions as attacks.

Obesity is only one sign of metabolic dysfunction. You can be skinny or normal weight and get diabetes, cancers, and other diseases of civilization that don't appear in pre-SAD indigenous populations.

Since we're talking about "time in" ZC, you've had a grand total of 2 months. Feel free to come back 6-18 months later and say the ZC experiment hasn't worked for you, but so far, you're still in the adaptation stage.

I did not choose ZC because of Charles. I chose and studied ZC before I ever knew Charles existed, based on science and historical record. There are plenty of "studies" that show carbohydrates are bad for you and yet carb-loading became national health policy. There are plenty of studies and historical records that showed low/zero carbs is healthy.

ZC is not and was never touted as a psychological or behavioral changer; if you have psychological issues with eating because you're at a desk, it has nothing to do with ZC and overeating. Maybe ZC kept you from gaining more weight, who knows.

Your experience so far is fine as a measure of your personal experience, but again, you need more time on it before you say that your experience is one that is applicable beyond anyone but you and your psychological situation. SO FAR, you have gained weight. SO FAR you have connected being at your desk to overeating. Your tone when you started this post was "this is ZC's fault" rather than wondering what was going on with your body and being curious about it.

You are free to stop eating ZC, but please do not accuse it of your psychological/behavioral issues.

Wrong, Wrong, Wrong!!! First, I never blamed my weight gain on ZC, I blamed it on my overeating and being sedentary. Second, many people here do indeed try to conflate various psychological mechanisms for overeating with the physiological ones, which may indeed hold some legitimacy in certain cases, just not in mine.

I also read up on all the studies and articles before making the transition to ZC, and began doing so before finding Charles forum. I found the forum as a result of my decision to go ZC.

Finally, I agree that my experience must be qualified by the fact that it has only lasted two months. But by that same logic, everybody here must qualify their experience by the fact that their diet has only lasted at most a year or so. Everybody here is happy to proclaim unqualified success for ZC when results are positive, but when they are not so positive, all of a sudden they are not legitimate.

Catin, your may not be attacking me, but you have continued without reason to make the worst assumptions possible about my motives, my opinions, and my knowledge about health. I don't think this is a "polite" way to treat somebody.

[timmypatch]

Kzantal, I don't know what my body fat index is, but I can tell when I look at myself in the mirror that I have put on excessive fat, and it doesn't look good!

[Martin]

(01-30-2009 03:08 AM)timmypatch Wrote:  Kzantal, I don't know what my body fat index is, but I can tell when I look at myself in the mirror that I have put on excessive fat, and it doesn't look good!

I understand that you don't say that ZC causes you to overeat but that it's a mental problem for you. That's sad for you but ZC is not going to cure everything obviously. I'm happy to claim that I don't have cravings anymore but I didn't before either. By this, I mean that I only had cravings when I ate high carb foods. I couldn't stop eating them, then I felt like shit because I fell too full. I didn't have cravings all the time and the cause was not only mental, it was a real addiction. If I ate sweets or drank alcohol, it'd come back, no doubt!

For the layer of fat, that's not cool, definitely. But maybe the others are right, maybe it's going to change if you stick to the programme. of course it looks like it's not going to for you, i'm sure. I would feel the same, probably.

If ZC looks that bad for you, just stop it. Life's too short to force yourself to do something you don't like. I wouldn't be ZC if I didn't personally feel better thanks to it.

[timmypatch]

(01-30-2009 03:41 AM)Kzantal Wrote:  

(01-30-2009 03:08 AM)timmypatch Wrote:  Kzantal, I don't know what my body fat index is, but I can tell when I look at myself in the mirror that I have put on excessive fat, and it doesn't look good!

I understand that you don't say that ZC causes you to overeat but that it's a mental problem for you. That's sad for you but ZC is not going to cure everything obviously. I'm happy to claim that I don't have cravings anymore but I didn't before either. By this, I mean that I only had cravings when I ate high carb foods. I couldn't stop eating them, then I felt like shit because I fell too full. I didn't have cravings all the time and the cause was not only mental, it was a real addiction. If I ate sweets or drank alcohol, it'd come back, no doubt!

For the layer of fat, that's not cool, definitely. But maybe the others are right, maybe it's going to change if you stick to the programme. of course it looks like it's not going to for you, i'm sure. I would feel the same, probably.

If ZC looks that bad for you, just stop it. Life's too short to force yourself to do something you don't like. I wouldn't be ZC if I didn't personally feel better thanks to it.

I couldn't agree more with you. If ZC is working great for you and making you feel healthier, all the more power to you.

I don't blame my weight gain on ZC, it just hasn't been for me the kind of wonder diet that it has for others like you. In fact, I have actually really have grown to enjoy eating meat and fat, so I may stick with it a while longer yet!

Besides, on the positive side, I haven't gotten sick lately despite living on about 4 hours of sleep per night and generally feel pretty good. So I can't believe I'm doing a whole lot serious harm to my self eating this way. I may even be doing myself some good!

[Martin]

(01-30-2009 04:01 AM)timmypatch Wrote:  Besides, on the positive side, I haven't gotten sick lately despite living on about 4 hours of sleep per night and generally feel pretty good. So I can't believe I'm doing a whole lot serious harm to my self eating this way. I may even be doing myself some good!

Maybe you should try to find some help for the eating disorder. You could try to do something else instead to calm down. Something that would not involve masturbating 18 times a day, cutting yourself or being mean to other people (as many people do to calm down, I don't mean you).

Because eating too much, no matter what, can't be good. It's taxing your body energy.

If you go on with ZC I'd like to hear how you're doing.

[timmypatch]

You're probably right, I really should get some help. Its always hard to change though. What I really need to change is my lifestyle which is clearly to stressful for me--sadly I'm too goal oriented to simply drop current commitments and be a lazy bum.

Besides, I always tell myself, I dont' have things so bad off. binge eating has to be better for me than other typical eating disorders such as anorexia, bulimia and vegetarianism (lol)

I'll keep ya updated.

[Martin]

probably better than vegetarianism, I'm here to testify :-D. Still not healthy. Maybe you should try some meditation. Try to be here and now. You're stressed, you feel like binging... So be it. Feel the desire. Who is it that wants to eat (sounds stupid but really? who? what is it made of? Is it not changing all the time? can you call a simple desire crossing your mind "me"?)? Is it going to change anything? Is it going to last forever (the desire)? is it going make you feel any better? observe the thoughts, breathe fully and let go.