I think Chris Norton has made some very good legitimate points about the validity of TP but at the same time I think he takes it a bit to far and is claiming something TP never really intended to.
In my opinion, TP has probably had a good deal of frustration with ZC and the weight that he gained. His initial post came across far too strong than I think he intended to come across, and it really appeared that he was trolling. Add that he was caught lying and that put the rest of his argument in jeopardy. He has since retracted somewhat from his initial statements and has made some remarks about the benefits that he has gotten from going ZC. He most certainly should have rephrased the OP so that it was more inquisitive by nature, and not so accusatory like he did. But, his emotions probably overflowed onto the keyboard which lead to the tone of his post being intrepretted the way that it did. He should have also been much more descriptive about his diet and overall health because it really did seem like he was blindly bashing zc.
Like most of these cases, I really doub he is outright lying about everything. His story might fall somewhere around 70% truthful.
(01-30-2009 04:29 PM)Darcy Wrote: [ -> ]If you are for real, Timmy, please check your self into the Mayo Clinic and get tested for everything and anything. Something is seriously wrong. I'm not being flippant. That is exactly what I would do and actually have done when I had a seriously problem. Mayo correctly diagnosed it (finally after months of dealing with docs) and I had surgery the NEXT day.
Ok, I know this is off topic, but now I have to know what your condition was! If you please, of course...
I have to assume honesty unless I have harder evidence of lying than what's been presented.
Charles, if you're still reading, I'm wondering why it's impossible for someone to overeat like that unless they have insulin issues? Haven't several people done 6,000+ calorie a day experiments to make a point? Why couldn't an OCD person do the same behavior for a different motivation?
TP's comments will not sway me from eating ZC. period. Thanks for playing.
I also don't feel the need to fix him/her. ZC is a personal journey and sometimes things don't go as planned. If TP wants to stay ZC and believes in the healing qualities then so be it. The facts are out there, it's a personal choice to believe them or not.
Is his pancreas hypersecreting insulin? Maybe.
Does he get enough sleep? Probably not.
Should he wait a few more months before judging ZC. Yes.
Has he been straight to us? Nope.
Should I of wasted 4 minutes with this reply?
(12-14-2008 09:51 PM)timmypatch Wrote: [ -> ]I'm thinking hunger while eating on a zero carb diet is a bad thing. Perhaps our hunger can be explained by our bodies' still releasing small amounts of insulin in response to food since we are so accustomed to taking in carbs with food, and since our zero carb diet is, in fact, not flooding or blood with glucose for the insulin to regulate, we end up taking our blood sugar too low, thus the hunger. If this is the case and insulin is being released, then we are probably also storing a lot of the fat that we are eating, just the same as if we were actually eating carbs.
From your thread "Eating makes me hungrier".
Wow! things have really started to get ugly here. Obviously some of you have picked up on my casual relationship with the truth when I am posting online. Some days I say I'm 23, other days I'm 21, sometimes I've been very low carb for several months, other times I've merely been low carb for the last two months. Point is, I generally don't put a whole lot of thought into what I'm saying on internet discussion forums. I guess you could say I savor the fact that I can be a bit of a shape shifter online. Real life social interactions are hard for me. I feel like I have to play an expected role at all times. Online, as long as keep a fairly low profile, I can stretch the truth here and there in small ways to keep my life entertaining and to "try on for size" different personalities I happen to feel some affinity for at a given moment in time.
Does this undercut my credibility and make me a troll? I don't think so. What I've given you is a story that roughly approximates my experience. Because I don't have perfect recall, and want to present as compelling and believable story as possible in order to please you all (or maybe to please myself), its quit likely I've embellished minor details here or there--I believe we all (or most of us) tend to do this without thinking about it. Take "TheBear" for example. He's a pretty well respected figure around these parts, but that's not to say there aren't minor inconsistencies to be found in some of his posts.
At the end of the day, I'm just not so pathetic a person that I enjoy making accounts on online forums just so that I can waste my time figuring out what they are all about and then turning around and trying to convince them they are wrong for shits and giggles.
In light of the fact that I've probably been ascribed just about every conceivable negative motive imaginable of for having started this thread, maybe its time I rethink my true motivations. Clearly some people are just to bitter and self-hateful to accept that another's motives could be benign. Well, for all you those of you who fit this category, maybe I can provide you with an alterior motivation of mine that is more down to your level of thinking: I was angry and bitter that I had not had as great success on ZC as other and wanted rain on everyone's party and raise a stink out of spite.
Is this the real reason I posted this message? beats me! I just knew I felt like sharing my experience. I can't begin to answer whether the intentions behind that this inclination were well meaning or malevolent. I'm no psychologist, and even if I were, I doubt still doubt if I would have a satisfactory answer to this question.
I can say one thing for certain though, and that is that the sort of person who immediately decides to think the worst about everybody else all of the time is probably not a very kind person herself.
Since so many of you all seem so skeptical about 20lb figure, let me be perfectly honest about that detail. Its an estimate. I haven't actually had an opportunity to weigh myself in several weeks, but the last time I did I was up over 10, and my cloths have been getting noticeably tighter, my face notably fatter since then. Is it possible I've only put on 15 pounds? it certainly is!
But what does any of this really matter anyway? I had a simple message I wanted to share with this community, and it really hasn't changed one bit:
I+many.weeks.ZC+overeating+little-exercise+high-stress+low-sleep=weight gain
This simple equation DOES disprove that it is IMPOSSIBLE for EVERYBODY to gain weight eating ZC style. That is simple statement of fact. It is not an attack, just truth.
Well, that was an exciting thread. I think I'm done.
(01-30-2009 04:52 PM)JenniferK Wrote: [ -> ]Charles, if you're still reading, I'm wondering why it's impossible for someone to overeat like that unless they have insulin issues? Haven't several people done 6,000+ calorie a day experiments to make a point? Why couldn't an OCD person do the same behavior for a different motivation?
Hi, Jennifer. Insulin issues is the only possibility and that would only be because of the seasonings that he's using to eat this meat. However, I find it near impossible to believe that someone can eat 7,000 calories of meat and fat. I'm sorry, I just do. Ethan Sims tried to get people to eat 7,000 calories and the people just stared at piles of pork chops unwilling to even try it. That's the part that's rather exceptional about his story to say the least.
Karb Killa echoed my thoughts really well. If TP wouldn't have started out with such a ZC-bashing post, I might have been more willing to give him the benefit of the doubt; but there were his words.
If his story is true, then I feel sorry for him because any other way he eats is going to cause some serious weight gain. VLC would make him look like JM in about a month at this rate.
Well, NOTHING is for EVERYONE, we are all just a little different, I hope you, Timmy ,will feel you can do better for yourself and take better care of yourself, and I am not pointing fingers but there are always people who will go out of their way to prove that there is always an exception to the rule, therefore there always is.
Susan
(01-30-2009 06:50 PM)timmypatch Wrote: [ -> ]I can say one thing for certain though, and that is that the sort of person who immediately decides to think the worst about everybody else all of the time is probably not a very kind person herself.
Since so many of you all seem so skeptical about 20lb figure, let me be perfectly honest about that detail. Its an estimate. I haven't actually had an opportunity to weigh myself in several weeks, but the last time I did I was up over 10, and my cloths have been getting noticeably tighter, my face notably fatter since then. Is it possible I've only put on 15 pounds? it certainly is!
But what does any of this really matter anyway? I had a simple message I wanted to share with this community, and it really hasn't changed one bit:
I+many.weeks.ZC+overeating+little-exercise+high-stress+low-sleep=weight gain
This simple equation DOES disprove that it is IMPOSSIBLE for EVERYBODY to gain weight eating ZC style. That is simple statement of fact. It is not an attack, just truth.
Don't go. Maybe we can help. I FIRMLY believe there is no one size fits all diet in the entire world. Some of us need ZC, some VLC and some LC. So it's okay ZC doesn't work for you. On a personal level though I really do think you should get a thorough check up. How many times a day were you eating when you gained the weight?
Maybe you are just somebody who is better off on a Lc plan as opposed to a ZC plan?
I don't believe the worst in people until there is clear evidence.