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Thanks for that clarification.

I don't think Schwarzbein has much theory to back up her WOE. she also advocates eating small meals often, like all the low fatties do, but of course you wouldn't have to eat that often if your insulin was stable, lol

Erin

(01-30-2009 02:16 PM)allycat Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks for that clarification.

I don't think Schwarzbein has much theory to back up her WOE. she also advocates eating small meals often, like all the low fatties do, but of course you wouldn't have to eat that often if your insulin was stable, lol

Erin

Yes. This is my problem with Schwarzbein. She understands insulin and the issues high insulin cause just as well as can be understood. But, her insistence on carb levels and frequent meals leaves a lot to be desired. She knows about the Inuit and their eating an all meat diet and then insists you need some carbs to balance out all the hormones. I don't get her or her research (if there is any).

IMHO, Timmypatch has been telling us the problem. It ain't the diet, it's the boredom/stress. VLC or ZC isn't going to mitigate that. Sure, many of us, me included, feel more at peace on ZC, but there's more to behavior than what we eat.

Timmypatch, I believe you. I'm glad you're sticking to ZC. My suggestion is to find ways to address your stress and boredom. You've identified your problems with them. They are likely affecting your hormones and your body's response to them. I believe that once you find ways to cope with those, you'll find that your eating obsession is reduced and you'll start to lose some of the weight. Oh, and get some sleep!

20 lbs is a big difference... Especially going from 160 to 180. That represents a 12.5% increase in two months period. I don't think it is only muscle mass or water and definitely don't think that it is healthy. Are you sure the meat didn't contain sugar (you know those bacons cured with sugar or sth?).

7K a day is also amazing as a number!! It must have been quite a chore... Even if it wasn't done on a constant basis.
I also don't buy the stress hypothesis or the lack of sleep. This is a huge difference to be explained just by lack of sleep or exam stress. When did the weight gain occur? Incrementally or within the first 2 weeks for example?

In any case. Good luck with your case and please update us on your status. Personally I am very interested to hear the rest of the story and whether or not the weight gain continues and your overall health status.

(01-29-2009 11:45 PM)timmypatch Wrote: [ -> ]In the last two months i've not touched a carbohydrate and I've gained about 15-20 pounds. Granted, I've probably been averaging in the ballpark of 4,000 calories daily, a good 80% of which has been fat, have drastically scaled back on exercise, and have not been getting nearly enough sleep lately.

While I don't presume to speak for others here, and I'm sure the amount of food that I've been eating is atypical, i think my experience clearly invalidates the widely held view that as long as a person isn't eating carbs, he cannot gain weight. As far as I'm concerned, it also invalidates the opinion that zero carb eliminates cravings in all cases. I foresaw having a miserable amount of school work this semester, and knowing from experience that logging in hours behind the desk drives me to eat extreme amounts out of boredom, I figured that perhaps going zero carb could help me overcome this problem, or at least prevent the inevitable weight gain this sort of behavior would ordinarily entail, but clearly the diet has failed in both respects.

I don't mean to discourage others, and I'm people will be quick to point out that I'm just one person, but in the spirit of science and understanding more about how a carb free diet affects the body, I thought somebody here might appreciate some insight into my unique experience.

Timmypatch, you should be getting paid for such top notch satire. Listen folks, I understand that many here are extremely hesitant to dismiss what others say for fear of developing a "bad" or "judgmental" reputation elsewhere in internet land, thinking that if those on this board aren't "accepting" and "open-minded" and "considerate" and "compassionate" and "understanding" that it will shut out others from approaching both this website and this path. Problem is, that cautious attitude is what allows nonsense like this to carry on for seven pages, and what I'm sure will be many more.

WARNING: The following statement will not hold your hand, embrace you lovingly, or pander to your weak emotional state.

Everyone's precious little feelings aside, this is three paragraphs of the most laughable bullshit I've ever seen. I mean really:

"...my experience clearly invalidates the widely held view that as long as a person isn't eating carbs, he cannot gain weight. As far as I'm concerned, it also invalidates the opinion that zero carb eliminates cravings in all cases."

These are some declarations little Timmy makes, having been zero carb a whole two months now. Maybe it's been longer, though, since Patch boy seems to struggle with numbers.

On Dec 11 our precious Tim-Tim stated that:

(12-11-2008 06:12 AM)timmypatch Wrote: [ -> ]Over the course of the past couple of years or so, I've progressively been lowering my carb intake to practically zero.

While two days later, on Dec 13, he had:

(12-13-2008 10:51 PM)timmypatch Wrote: [ -> ]been close to zero carbs for a few weeks

He also mentioned, on Dec 13, the year of our lord 2008, that:

(12-13-2008 11:50 PM)timmypatch Wrote: [ -> ]I'm only 23

Strangely, as of today, Jan 30, 2009:

(01-30-2009 01:34 AM)timmypatch Wrote: [ -> ]I'm a 21 year old guy

Well, you may be packing on the fat, but at least you're feeling much younger, dude. Patch Adams explains away this discrepancy:

(01-30-2009 01:57 AM)timmypatch Wrote: [ -> ]About the age, I sometimes give out "fudged" personal data. I do this not because I'm trying to mislead, but because I am fairly paranoid about giving out information online that somebody who knows me could use to identify me with (my real name is not timmypatch either). I'm sure you think that's stupid, but its true. Lets just say I am around 21, and leave it at that. I somehow doubt that zero carb would affect a 23 year old differently that it would a 21 year old. I do not fudge facts that are relevent.

It appears Timmy is somewhere between the ages of 21 and Liar. But that's not relevant, so let's move on.

People, take a whiff. That's the scent of an expert troll. He recites just enough zero carb dogma, and kisses Charles' hindquarters just enough to plant the seeds of nonsense and still be taken seriously, offering an impossible scenario so that nobody can supply an adequate answer, all to be able to declare this path a failure in some way, shape, or form, and once he has our concession, he can share the victory on some far away message board in a far away land where his handle is Timmyfruits and he shall earn himself legendary status.

Now if I've completely missed the mark here, and his entire story is somehow based in reality, then we may be dealing with some kind of shape-shifting alien life form. Someone get the SciFi network on the phone.

This nonsensical journey should've ended on page 2 with Charles:

(01-30-2009 02:03 AM)Charles Wrote: [ -> ]You didn't come for help, you clearly came to share your experience and you've done that. Thanks for sharing.

For some reason, it didn't

(01-30-2009 02:31 AM)timmypatch Wrote: [ -> ]If you don't want to hear what I have to say, just let me know, I'll stop talking.

I can speak only for myself, but since no one else has taken you up on your offer, I'm happy to be the first-

I'm letting you know that I don't want to hear what you have to say.

Thank you, please drive through.

Damn you ChrisNorton. You beat me to the punch. I am literally cutting and pasting away at work right now so I can put this ass clown out of business later today.

I hate to be the little kid in the "Emperor's New Clothes" but the emperor is naked. Does anyone really think this guy is for real???? Norton stole some thunder but go back and reread this idiot's posts. I had to start cutting and pasting as I couldn't keep up with the blatant contradictions.

I would tell him he doesnt have a mild case of OCD, but full blown as well as many other issues. I would also tell him he may need to google pyschosomatic, except he is sitting at his computer laughing his ass off that people responded.

Does anyone on this forum believe that after two months of nothing but meat and water someone could gain 20 pounds of shit around their waste??????? Stay tuned as I organize this one.....

My thinking was that his pancreas was so out of whack that it was secreting a lot of insulin. Couple that with his increased consumption of fat and you could have increased fat storage, even on Meat n' Fat. I thought that he may have been in equilibrium when eating carbs because he was eating less fat. I think this is a very real possibility with some people. Your mileage may vary. But I can see evidence now that Timmy is not being totally honest.

Also, I thought that if you arent getting enough sleep then you arent burning body fat at night (err when sleeping) so the vector can end up in the gain direction rather than a flat maintain or downward loss direction.

I'm still laughing at Chris Norton's posting. Sean, go to the beginning. Many of us said he was a troll back there.

If you are for real, Timmy, please check your self into the Mayo Clinic and get tested for everything and anything. Something is seriously wrong. I'm not being flippant. That is exactly what I would do and actually have done when I had a seriously problem. Mayo correctly diagnosed it (finally after months of dealing with docs) and I had surgery the NEXT day.

(01-30-2009 11:42 AM)Nyteez Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-30-2009 10:10 AM)JenniferK Wrote: [ -> ]NYteez, I believe, has said that if she eats above satiety she will gain weight.

Nope, that wasn't me. I have been steadily losing for almost a year now. I can't stand that "full" feeling so I never over eat.

Oops, my bad then. Sorry about that.