(01-30-2009 10:10 AM)JenniferK Wrote: [ -> ]NYteez, I believe, has said that if she eats above satiety she will gain weight. So this phenomena of excessive eating and weight gain is not unheard of in ZC. Timmy, did you mention a tendency for compulsive behavior? You may have a mild case of OCD. Have you ever been at this weight before?
Couldn't hurt to try getting rid of the seasonings. The sleep factor is a big one too. Not enough sleep can mess with your melatonin (a hormone) levels and can set your whole body off kilter.
Nope, that wasn't me. I have been steadily losing for almost a year now. I can't stand that "full" feeling so I never over eat.
(01-30-2009 11:40 AM)lynnhopes Wrote: [ -> ] (01-30-2009 07:19 AM)Charles Wrote: [ -> ] (01-30-2009 06:36 AM)carne Wrote: [ -> ]I don't get this. Supposedly insulin is the fat storage hormone and trumps all other hormones. So how can you have elevated insulin without gaining fat?
Insulin is not just a fat storage hormone. Insulin does indeed regulate fat metabolism but that is not all it regulates. You can have elevated insulin if you have NO INSULIN RESISTANCE.
This is why children can eat high carb crap for years before they finally get fat as is the case for many of us. Once you get about 25 or so, all of a sudden the very same diet makes you fat. It's also the reason reason that 75 grams of carbs on Atkins works today, but doesn't work tomorrow.
One does not overeat on any food without having unstable blood sugar. I would love to see Timmypatch's blood lipids two months ago and today because that would offer some clues about what's going on with his diet and body. Without that, all we have are his words and his two months of experience.
Again, for the umpteenth time, only the lucky ones get fat and you must know that. People with elevated insulin but low insulin resistance may go straight to any of the symptoms of chronic disease and such is metabolic syndrome.
I don't get this either. I though hyperinsulinemia and insulin resistance were concurrent disorders!? How can you overproduce insulin but not have your cells be resistant to it? What does the excess insulin do on a daily basis then if one's cells are not insulin resistant? I mean what is the actual mechanism for insulin to do what it does if it is being overproduced, but not in response to insulin resistance?
The opposite of insulin resistance is insulin sensitive. Think of a really obese person. I mean really obese. Insulin sensitive to gain all that weight. Most likely. Up until a point. And then the weight gain stops. But in the process until they become insulin resistant they most likely have hyperinsulinemia otherwise they wouldn't have gained the weight. Remember insulin resistant does not mean TOTAL insulin resistance. I am sure it goes up along a gradient.
Timmypatch Wrote:Catin, your may not be attacking me, but you have continued without reason to make the worst assumptions possible about my motives, my opinions, and my knowledge about health. I don't think this is a "polite" way to treat somebody.
I don't think Catin was attacking you or being rude at all. She was simply asking important direct questions as to figure out why you have gained 20lbs on ZC. I thought her posts were very professional. Why are YOU getting so defensive?
(01-30-2009 11:40 AM)lynnhopes Wrote: [ -> ]I don't get this either. I though hyperinsulinemia and insulin resistance were concurrent disorders!? How can you overproduce insulin but not have your cells be resistant to it? What does the excess insulin do on a daily basis then if one's cells are not insulin resistant? I mean what is the actual mechanism for insulin to do what it does if it is being overproduced, but not in response to insulin resistance?
You all didn't read GCBC very well. They are found together obviously if there is insulin resistance but hyperinsulinemia is the driver and it starts long before we get insulin resistant.
Insulin doesn't get produced in response to insulin resistance. Insulin get produced in regard to eating foods other than fat and protein or in response to hormonal action. The cells take in insulin after it's produced. The reason that insulin resistance happens is because the cells get worn out from the chronically high insulin. By the time the cells become resistant, the cow has long been out of the barn. When you're young, your cells regenerate faster and you have a much higher capacity to store insulin in your cells. As you age, this ability decreases and insulin resistance increases.
All of the chronic diseases of civilization are slow-developing. You just don't pop up with obesity or cancer just like that. It takes years of work to get there and this is why the dietary experts over the last 60 years have had such a tough time. When they performed the big studies like Framingham, Chicago (Western Electric), Honolulu and Puerto Rico, they recommended the prudent diet before the results of these studies were in. They didn't wait until the people all died. If they would have, then they would have concluded that low-fat diets do in fact keep a person from heart disease but they make it twice as likely that you'll die from cancer instead.
Alzheimer's, Cancer, Diabetes, etc all have in common high insulin. The subjects are not always fat.
Any time you find a person who is hungry all the time, or who compulively overeats, you can blame unstable blood sugar and high insulin and it make no difference if the person is fat. Obesity and insulin resistance are correlated, not caused by.
Even after reading GCBC's twice I still don't totally get this this. I mean the excess insulin has to go somewhere. If a person stays thin what is the excess insulin actually doing?
Trying to get my non scientific brain wrapped around all of this....
(01-30-2009 11:59 AM)lynnhopes Wrote: [ -> ]Even after reading GCBC's twice I still don't totally get this this. I mean the excess insulin has to go somewhere. If a person stays thin what is the excess insulin actually doing?
Trying to get my non scientific brain wrapped around all of this....
It gets taken up by healthy cells. They can do this for a time but some of them burn out. All cells don't get resistant, just some of them and it continues until enough of them are resistant and then the excess insulin starts going into places where it shouldn't and that's when the problems start.
Lynn, there is another option. I call is the "Suzanne philosophy," who cares about the science, just let your own personal experience be your guide.
Not everyone can do that, Suzanne. Some people like to understand a little before they experience. That's probably wise because there are all sorts of things out there that people ask us to just "try" and some of them can be quite harmful. In the words of the UNCF, "The mind is a terrible thing to waste!"
To Timmypatch (if you are still reading this thread):
May I just second what Mac said about lack of sleep. Lack of sleep, or irregular sleep can really play havoc with your metabolism. I was losing, slowly on near ZC, but gradually, until changing life patterns caused me to sleep at irregular times and probably not enough. Stress was also an issue. I started gaining again, slowly, not massively, but it was not what I wanted to happen! (However, I have been overweight for many decades, unlike you. But still, it shows how easily sleep loss can throw you off. If you read what Gary Taubes says about storing fat when we are awake, and burning it when we are asleep, it's not really surprising that we can sabotage our own metabolism by playing fast and loose with Mr Sandman.
Something else, relating to the question of whether you were originally underweight: do you mind if I ask what your BMI (body mass index) is? Do you know what it was before you started to gain?
Regards,
Mike
